In this presentation, I will briefly examine the state of ethics education and training for medical students and foundation doctors. I will draw on recent research that I have collaborated on with colleagues that focuses on medical students and foundation doctors in England. By doing so, I aim to demonstrate the ‘value’ of ethics education and training to the learners, senior clinicians, the wider organisation, and the field of clinical ethics more broadly. At points throughout the presentation, I will also consider where the responsibility rests for ethics education and training, making references to the limited remit of medical schools, and the need for revised expectations around ethics learning. I will conclude with short, personal reflections around the notions of ethical experts and ethical expertise, and share what I consider the purpose of ethics education and training.